English anti-Israel vicar Stephen Sizer addressed anti-Zionist activists at a Palestine Solidarity Campaign meeting recently. Sizer comments on loyal law-abiding Israeli citizens who also happen to be Messianic Jews, he has nothing but disdain for them, calling them an abomination and that they have in fact repudiated Jesus. (see video – from 1:40):
“There are certainly churches in Israel/Palestine that side with the occupation, that side with Zionism. One of my burdens is to challenge them theologically and show that they’ve repudiated Jesus, they’ve repudiated the Bible, and they are an abomination.”
However, in a recent video released to justify and promote the Israel hate-fest conference, Christ at the Checkpoint next year in Bethlehem, Sizer strikes a very different tone.
Sizer has a mixed message, agenda and morality.
The shmooze-the-Messianic-Jews strategy has been working rather well, so in response to many of our challenges to CaTC here on RPP we see item 6 on a new list of “affirmations” or clarifications, included is a section on Messianic Jews.
Affirmation #6: Messianic Jews
Messianic Jews are the brothers and sisters of all who follow Jesus or Yeshua. We are one family bound together in a fellowship of love. Although diversity in political opinions as well as theological emphasis inevitably exist, we refuse to allow these views to hinder our fellowship in Jesus.
This is mere specious mumbo-jumbo as they seek to hoodwink Messianic Jews into an attitude towards Christians that hate Israel that is more akin to a Freemason idea of loyalty no matter what, than what the Bible says.
Messianic Jews who have agreed to attend this conference organised and promoted by a man who thinks they are an abomination and have repudiated Jesus, ought to revoke their invitations and have the moral courage to make a stand against such hatred and defamation against Israeli Messianic Jews.
There is an awful lot of money behind this conference, with some big names from the Christian world in attendance, get one big name and others will follow! We call on Gentile pastor of a Messianic Jewish congregation Wayne Hilsden, Messianic Jewish pastor Evan Thomas and Messianic Jewish scholar Richard Harvey to reconsider giving this conference wider credibility in the Christian world by attending it. If they don’t they will likely stop being an abomination to Sizer and become an abomination to the rest of the Messianic Jewish community!
I back your call unequivocally
So it seems that there are no actual sabra Israelis attending this conference, only Americans, Kiwis, Brits and assorted other nationalities.
Have you seen this blog post:
Connexions – Here we go again
Between you and I; I’d appreciate your comments on that particular blog.
thats awful, will be praying that this wretched event is a failure.
BTW Gev, you in Uk or in Israel? just curious thats all.
I tried to listen to the video but my stomach was churning as I heard his voice. I turned him off.
Wish we could turn his mouth off as easily. What a tool of Satan he is. You can hear him in a live debate with a real Christian on Revelation TV Wed. 9th November 9pm.
I quite agree!!
Dr Michael Brown said on one of his podcasts he invited them to join on challenges he made to the ‘with God on our side’ film that was made last year, this request was ignored. Dr Brown is probably the best person I know on doing theological debates with anyone.
Folks like SS want debates on their terms only, just like that other pathetic coward thats in the new lately Richard Dawkins
Jonathan, this is what happened when I attended the Manchester screening of With God on Our Side:
http://hurryupharry.org/2010/11/09/with-god-on-our-side-screens-in-manchester/
yep I saw this, good work Joe,
Yochanon S is spot on though, Harry’s place is an excellent blog, but its Liberal nature means 2 state solution is what’s all the regular writers are encouraged to promote as a way to “fix” the problems of the middle east,
Not only is it scripturally wrong, to give away land from West Bank, Gaza and Golans away to try and keep Palestinians and Syria happy, its also very dangerous from a strategic point of view. Check out this site, for exactly what would happen if you went to pre-67 borders
http://shomroncentral.blogspot.com/
That youtube video on Palestinians being crypto-Jews is fascinating thought! Kind of like the Jews from South America who took on a Catholic identity to avoid persecution!!
Well, God gave the land to Abraham, but he was happy to go a different way to Lot when they had a disagreement, and live in a different part of the land to Lot! So I don’t think it’s a terrible sin to give away land, but I do agree that Israel has historical and Biblical ties to the land, and the nations of the world should respect the right of Jewish people to dwell there, as a nation.
Jospeh,
I love your article here, but disagree with your conclusions.
The two-state solution would be a disaster.
First of all, it would cause the Jewish people being uprooted from the heart of Jewish history (Hebron, Shechem, Shiloh, Bethel, Debir, East Jerusalem- which is historic Jerusalem, Tekoa, Mt Gerezim and Mt Ebal, Baal Hatzor, Gilgal, etc.).
Second of all, for the Palestinians, it would cut them off from an economic base they need to survive as a people group and/or nation.
I support a federalized one-state solution as a messianic living in Israel.
Not withstanding the fact that many Palestinians actually have Jewish ancestry and the gospel can be a connecting point to their Jewish roots.
There is no way you can uproot 300,000 Jewish people from their homes in Judea and Samaria, the attempt of 7000 Jewish people from Gaza was tried and failed and the families are still recovering several years later and many with no homes yet. The collective opinion now in Israel is that giving up land encourages terror as it did in Gaza with Cast Lead and as it did in Southern Lebanon with the Second Lebanon War. As it did in Oslo with the second intifada. As the Sinai is also becoming a base for terrorism and the peace with Egypt is now dampened by the Arab Spring. Collective opinion is not too fond of the “land for peace” model anymore.
Collective opinion of the PA (Hamas and Fatah) is also decreasing especially in the West Bank. Many PA Arabs (aka Palestinians) are missing the days of the military rule pre-Oslo. They had jobs, peace, and security. They are just as frustrated at what Oslo brought to them and Arafat coming from exile as the Jews are. Many don’t see how they could survive economically with their own nation and miss the days of working for nice Jewish buisness owners on Shenken Street or Dizengoff in downtown Tel Aviv.
This video, which is not produced by a propoganda machine, but by a reputable news source in Israel (Mabat Eser) documents a possibility that is fascinating….maybe Palestinian Muslims and Christians are actually Jews. Ive been toying with the idea that the two sticks coming together in Ezekiel 37 may very well be talking about this reality. I think the gospel to the Palestinians can be a bridge for the union of the Palesitnians and Jews. I am optimistic because I have led both Palestinians in Hebron and Jewish people to the Lord. We saw seven congregations planted in the Muslim Hebron area. Once they hated Jews, now they love them.
Im just trying to open your mind to a larger compassionate Zionist stance for both the Palestinians and the Jews.
Hi Yohanan thanks for your opinion, I do agree that an immediate 2-state solution is not a priority – although I do favour a Palestinian state. Palestinians should be – and broadly are – in control of their own affairs, but it needs to be done in a way that does not compromise the security of Jews, or create a judenrein nation in the 21st century. Recently, the PA sentenced a man to 10 years hard labour for selling land to a Jew – which is dire, quite frankly. Things need to improve all round, to create the conditions for a viable Palestinian state, alongside a safe and secure Israel.
Overall, I think that disarming nuclear Iran, keeping Syria in check, and disarming Hamas and Hezbollah should be the priority at the moment, as far as middle east peace is concerned.
However, I disagree with you that Palestinians are actually Jews. That in itself, is a popular piece of antizionist propaganda!
This vicar’s code name for a sovereign state that he would like to destroy is “occupation” and loyal taxpaying citizens of this country, that he would like wiped-off the map, are propping up this democratic anomaly in the despotic Middle East!
Sickening innit. Makes me so angry, as do those who decline to challenge him about it.
The mask slips, to call fellow believers an abomination reveals a great deal of Sizer’s real kernel.
He ‘abides in death’, 1 Jn.3.14.
Was it not the Jewish people who gave the Bible to the Churches in the first place?? and was it not the Disciples of Jesus who formed the first early Messianic Nazerite Churches?? so would you Stephen Sizer dare to call the first Disciples of Jesus Christ an abomination?? because it is their offspring that you are attacking, please think before you condemn
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Did Stephen Sizer mean what you’re claiming? He says not: http://stephensizer.blogspot.com/2011/10/messianic-believers-are-brothers.html
see this Richard http://roshpinaproject.com/2011/10/17/british-vicar-who-called-israeli-messianic-jews-an-abomination-issues-a-non-apology-apology/
I saw that. ‘Ungracious’ would be my kindest description.
‘Factual’ would be the word I use to describe it. Unfortunately for Sizer it was recorded and no matter the spin he wants to put on it, he said what he said and then blamed the Zionist hecklers for making him say it!
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