The Checkpoint Manifesto

I bet that the Messianic Jews who attended CaTC are not so thrilled that their names are forever attached to this conference Manifesto, in fact it turns out the they were not even aware that such a Manifesto was being produced and it was not submitted to the conference to be agreed to by delegates. Hence delegates are stuck with being associated with this heavily slanted statement that promotes Replacement Theology and justifies their delegitimization of Israel, irrespective of what was said at the CaTC 2012 conference. Many it seems will be delighted as it reaffirms the prejudice they attended the conference with. However it is a clear slight to Hilsden, Harvey and Thomas.

Why call it a Manifesto and not just a normal conference statement, do they think, or wish this will be monumental like the Communist Manifesto! Probably however, it is because they were either too lazy or too dictatorial to put it before the conference for a vote in order for it to actually be a conference statement.

How do Harvey, Thomas and Hilsden feel about the manifesto point 3, I doubt very much that they agree with it, in fact it is obvious that the hand of Sizer is behind this Manifesto as it takes advantage of the huge gesture of good will these three took to attend a conference whose track record is so dubiously anti-Israel and replacementist.

3 “Racial ethnicity alone does not guarantee the benefits of the Abrahamic Covenant.”

Point 3 is pure replacement theology, implying that Jews who are not believers in Jesus are no longer recipients of God’s Covenant with Abraham as found in Genesis 12-17. Protestations during the conference that CaTC was not a gathering of replacement theology, is nonsense in the light of this point.

Manifesto point 10 is a case of them having their cake and eating it:

10 “Any challenge of the injustices taking place in the Holy Land must be done in Christian love. Criticism of Israel and the occupation cannot be confused with anti-Semitism and the delegitimization of the State of Israel.”

Therefore they claim that because they attack Israel with a smile on their face, a dog collar round their neck with dulcet tones and careful chosen incendiary words, somehow it is automatically NOT anti-Semitic!

Point 11 is an attempt to make CaTC 2012 seem ground-breaking where in fact Messianic Jews in Israel have had many years of relationships, Congregational visits, shared conferences, sharing foreign speakers with Palestinian Christian congregations.

Here is the CaTC Manifesto and its authors. All I have to say to those from the Messianic community that attended and spoke is, told you so! You have been played.

Conference Organizers:
John Angle, Alex Awad, Bishara Awad, Sami Awad, Steve Haas, Munther Isaac, Yohanna Katanacho, Manfred Kohl, Salim Munayer, Jack Sara, Stephen Sizer

The Christ at the Checkpoint Manifesto

  1. The Kingdom of God has come. Evangelicals must reclaim the prophetic role in bringing peace, justice and reconciliation in Palestine and Israel.
  2. Reconciliation recognizes God’s image in one another.
  3. Racial ethnicity alone does not guarantee the benefits of the Abrahamic Covenant.
  4. The Church in the land of the Holy One, has born witness to Christ since the days of Pentecost. It must be empowered to continue to be light and salt in the region, if there is to be hope in the midst of conflict.
  5. Any exclusive claim to land of the Bible in the name of God is not in line with the teaching of Scripture.
  6. All forms of violence must be refuted unequivocally.
  7. Palestinian Christians must not lose the capacity to self-criticism if they wish to remain prophetic.
  8. There are real injustices taking place in the Palestinian territories and the suffering of the Palestinian people can no longer be ignored. Any solution must respect the equity and rights of Israel and Palestinian communities.
  9. For Palestinian Christians, the occupation is the core issue of the conflict.
  10. Any challenge of the injustices taking place in the Holy Land must be done in Christian love. Criticism of Israel and the occupation cannot be confused with anti-Semitism and the delegitimization of the State of Israel.
  11. Respectful dialogue between Palestinian and Messianic believers must continue. Though we may disagree on secondary matters of theology, the Gospel of Jesus and his ethical teaching take precedence.
  12. Christians must understand the global context for the rise of extremist Islam. We challenge stereotyping of all faith forms that betray God’s commandment to love our neighbors and enemies.

UPDATE
The Christ at the Checkpoint organizers have been forced to clarify:
“The Statement and Manifesto were presented to the conference participants on the last day but were ONLY agreed on and endorsed by the Conference ORGANIZERS (my emphasis).”

“Conference Organizers: John Angle, Alex Awad, Bishara Awad, Sami Awad, Steve Haas, Munther Isaac, Yohanna Katanacho, Manfred Kohl, Salim Munayer, Jack Sara, Stephen Sizer”

UPDATE

OK this is what seems to have happened, Harvey and Hilsden had already left CaTC when Thomas and another couple from his congregation were approached, out of courtesy, and shown the Manifesto. One of them offered some grammatical suggestions, but did not feel the need to challenge anything in the Manifesto that he may have disagreed with because it was “a Palestinian conference”! OK, fine, we might have done different and challenged a fair bit, but that was their choice. However the CaTC Manifesto authors claim that there was Messianic Jewish input from leaders of the Israel Messianic Jewish community, and if they mean that grammatical advice was offered, then it can be stretched to that. However only one of the three CaTC speakers from the “pro-Israel” camp saw the draft. The three that saw the draft are all from the same Messianic congregation, so it is hardly representatives of the Messianic community, as each of the speakers made it very clear that they were there on an individual basis and represented no one but themselves.

The pro-Israel/Messianic Jewish contingent statement, which surprisingly included those who were not speakers at the conference issued a statement to clarify things -

Some of us were shown this statement during the editorial process, out of respect and appreciation for our involvement, and out of acknowledgment of the bridges that were built during the conference. While a few of us offered advice on the composition of these documents, we do not in fact endorse all the points that were finally presented. Nor were we asked by the organizers to endorse them.

However Stephen Sizer, the CaTC Programme director claims:

Before releasing the Conference Statement and Manifesto, the organising committee invited local Messianic leaders to read and comment on it.

So the “local Messianic leaders” who turn out to be only one of the CaTC Messianic speakers and another from the same congregation, were in fact invited to comment on it. This is hardly local Messianic leaders, which gives the impression that it was more than it really was! Anyway they chose to only offer grammatical advice, fine that is their decision, but a bit more clarity would have been helpful.

59 thoughts on “The Checkpoint Manifesto

    • As CaTC was finishing a Messianic Jewish pastor in Ashdod issued a plea for prayer as over two days 100 rockets had been fired at Ashdod, Ashkelon & Southern Israeli communities. CaTC had nothing to say about this & ignored a Messianic Jewish plea for prayer.

      • Glad to hear you admit that your blog posts can’t be taken seriously.

        Actually Joseph, you also corrected the fact that the person named was wrong, that he was “governor” not “Mayor” and he was not “invited” but was “present”. That is 3 things in one slanderous blog. Don’t give other people grief for editing when you and you buddies live off of it.

        But as you have admitted. Let’s also not pretend this blog is accurate or serious “like a manifesto”.

    • Sure Gev. As if Rosh Pina never edits their blogs on the fly without issuing a correction or update statement huh? (Wayne Hilsden and “governor of Bethlehem” articles off top of my head.)

      • Glad to hear you admit that your blog posts can’t be taken seriously.

        Actually Joseph, you also corrected the fact that the person named was wrong, that he was “governor” not “Mayor” and he was not “invited” but was “present”. That is 3 things in one slanderous blog. Don’t give other people grief for editing when you and you buddies live off of it.

        But as you have admitted. Let’s also not pretend this blog is accurate or serious “like a manifesto”.

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  2. from Peter John
    the Almaity God of Abraham,Izaäk and Jacob has already written the names of all the choosen people bevor He grounded the earth. He knows exactlythe places of them on this earth en no one wil be forgotten wen He His Kingdom establis in the near future. Don’t be afrait!

  3. It speaks volumes that point 1 of this “manifesto” refers to “Palestine”, which at the time of writing still does not exist as a sovereign state. Reference to a non-state has political implications which are clearly THE priority to all concerned with this conference. It also speaks volumes that, after a platform of attacking the very legitimacy of Israle and its Biblical claim to its historic homeland, only in point 11 out of 12 in this “manifesto”, is any mention made of the precedence of the gospel of Jesus.

    Satan knows very well the Biblical prophecy that the restoration of Israel will set the stage for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. When Jesus Christ returns, Satan knows that he will be incarcerated, and then ultimately cast into the Lake of Fire. Thus, with the restoration of Israel, Satan realizes that his days are numbered.

    Having failed in his attempts through persecution, pogroms, and the Holocaust to either destroy the Jewish people or thwart their physical restoration to their ancient Land, the prophetic implications for Satan mean that he is now engaged in a bid to remove the Jewish people from their Land, and from the city of Jerusalem.

    This has already involved a series of wars with the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations, and more recently an ongoing concerted international effort to delegitimize the very existence of the Jewish state, and to seek its demise through the political platform.

    A process which has even queried whether the Jews, as a people, constitute a nation and are therefore worthy of being allocated a state at all.

    Christian theology needs to reckon with the views of Jesus Christ Himself, and of the apostles and prophets, who never waivered in their belief that the Jewish people, and its Land, are both decisive elements in all of history.

    Sadly though, while presenting an advocacy of Arab and Islamic opposition to Zionism, some elements of the Church and many professing Christians have more of a “world-view” than a Biblical view. These elements and individuals being prepared to conduct anti-Zionist propaganda from behind a religious camouflage.

    I contend that sinister spiritual forces are diligently at work to discredit the God of the Bible through the attempted division of Jerusalem and of Israel’s Land.

    When God made a covenant with Abraham he gave the land of Canaan to his descendants as an everlasting possession (Genesis 15:7-21; 17:7- 8).

    This promise of ownership was transferred through Isaac and Jacob to the twelve sons (tribes) of Israel (Genesis 26:3-4; 28:13-14; 35:12; Psalm 105:8-11.)

    One way of making Israel illegitimate in the Middle East is to find ways of detaching the Jewish people form their land, or delegitimizing their heritage and claim to the territory.

    Geographically, the Bible is set in the land of Israel, historically its theme is the people of Israel. This is a fact so simple and so obvious that most are oblivious to it.

    If the land covenant God made with Abraham long ago can be compromised, or even negated altogether, the devil will have achieved a major victory.

    The attempt to achieve lasting peace in the Middle East through formal establishment of a Palestinian state within Israel’s borders, serves to discredit the Bible and the land promise God gave to Abraham and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob – a distinct people with a distinct national heritage, in both the physical and religious spheres.

    Satan, the enemy of the Lord God of Israel, has been in the “counterfeiting” business since the very beginning when, although being a created being himself, decided that he would be “like the Most High”.

    During these end-times, Satan, the master manipulator, has used the world community to create a counterfeit State called “Palestine” to counter God’s true State of Israel. He has created a non-people, the “Palestinians” to usurp God’s true people, the Jews.

    Zahir Muhsein, executive committee member of the “Palestinian Liberation Organisation”, stated specifically in an interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw on 31st March1977;-

    “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism.”

    To garner support the world has been deceived into believing that the “Palestinians” have endured a “Diaspora” and “Holocaust” of their own, and therefore deserve a subsequent “right of return”. A fabricated history and culture has also been created for the “Palestinians” which even includes a claim to Jerusalem as their capital.

    It seems to be lost upon the supporters of those who try to usurp the Biblical right of the Jews to the Promised Land, that many of those with whom they align themselves even worship a different god to the God of the Bible. A principle which the Bible clearly warns against in some detail.

    The Hebrew prophets tell of a time when God’s anger and wrath will explode at the nations and peoples, at a very exact, appointed moment in history, when He will judge those who have presumed to divide up His Land and persecute His people.

    “This is what the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the Lord Almighty is his name: ‘Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,’ declares the Lord, ‘will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a NATION before me.’

    This is what the Lord says: ‘Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,’ declares the Lord” (Jer.31:35-37 NIV)

    The Creator, the God of Israel has specifically said that national Israel would never cease to be a nation, and that he would never reject them as His people.

    • Doug,
      You have a well-developed Biblical viewpoint concerning Israel. Here is another important scripture that can be added:

      “FOR BEHOLD, in those days and at that time when I shall reverse the captivity and restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all nations and will bring them down into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, and there will I deal with and execute judgment upon them for their treatment of My people and of My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations and because they have divided My land.” [Joel 3:1-2;

  4. CatC have now indicated on their website that this statement was only presented to delegates on the last day of the conference and was only endorsed by the conference organisers. I understand a separate joint statement will shortly be released by MJ and pro-Israel delegates who attended the conference.

  5. These people are fighting God, and they are in a dangerous position. The Bible is clear that the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is returning the Jewish people to the land of Israel. Knowing how seriously my own vicar takes his call to be a parish priest, I cannot think how Stephen Sizer can possibly find the time to be a parish priest and be so involved in this kind of stuff.

    • Although, if the statement somehow denies Israel the right to self-defense (as a “form of violence,”) then I find the statement to be less “unequivocal” than I thought at first. Still, it does reject the approach of violent groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.

      • i agree. it’s almost like a call for everyone to be pacifist. the thing is, pal christians have a 99% clean record in terms of non-violence (during the 2nd intifada leaders of terrorist groups tried to recruit christians, and they boldly refused), which we are happy about, yet we don’t want them telling us to be the same. i admit that i want them to remain non-violent, not to defend themselves in the case that there is unjust actions taken by israelis on them, to go along silently…yet i want israel to be allowed to defend herself. i’m not sure where my reasoning comes from but the conclusion remains. there was a pacifist speaker at the conference that spoke about violence, and he talked about the “just war” group as well, without condemning it. he simply said that both pacifists and “just war”ists should seek to find more non-violent ways to deal with issues. i’m certainly in the second category, but i also agree that even if defense is justified, we need to become more creative and seek more non-violent ways of reacting, in general.

  6. Oh yes, monumental indeed, like Mein Kampf was monumental.
    I shared this with my Christian friends months ago and tried to tell them they had an obligation to address stop it because whether they like it or not their name is attached to it. Instead they took offense that I would suggest such a thing because they’re not really like this. Yeah, they all turned a blind eye in pre-Nazi Germany too.
    This is Roman invasion all over again.

    • Leah,
      If one of your family is involved with a crime generations years ago, do you feel a sense of responsibility for it?
      The shoah was and still is the worst attrocities in history, but is it fair to blame Christians in general for it still today?

      I know German Christians in Israel working in carehomes with elderly holocaust survivors. The elderly people don’t seem to have any prejudice with these people because they are German, in some ways its actually helpful as German is close to Yiddish so they can converse with them.

      • Depends on the crime. The atrocities committed against the Jews by the church go back 2,000 years and have not stopped to this day. Antisemitism has its origins in the church going back hundreds of years and it has been ongoing throughout history. Millions of Jews have been murdered because of it. I have studied this extensively and own several books on the subject. I did a research project on the Holocaust for my Rabbi and sourced all my information. I’m not just making this up or pulling my data out of a google search. Do we forgive one crime in history against the Jews? If someone in my ancestry committed one crime hundreds of years ago do we care today? Depends on the crime and if the crime was one time or millions of times. How many murdered Jews are enough that we can say it’s time to forget?
        As Jews we feel a sense of responsibility whenever a crime is committed by a single Jew. Collectively we are responsible for our people. If you’re a Christian you should also feel a collective sense of responsibility for the church as a whole when just one acts against the Jews. I love my Christian friends and they are very supportive of Israel and the Jews. We are seeing more and more Churches acknowledging their dark history and standing with us. If you’re going to stand with us then take responsibility when the church is involved in something like this. Are you not the church?

  7. by the way, this manifesto is not supposed to represent all of the speakers and participants at the conference, it was a summary of the main themes. it’s an expression of the organizers (the people who signed the document) and is meant to reflect what they believe should be main values of the palestinian evangelical christian movement.

    PS, you forgot to include this bit, which is in the intro

    “Palestinian Christians demonstrated renewed hope to continue to stand against the injustice of occupation nonviolently and forms of Christian Zionism that marginalize them. They also acknowledged the right of the State of Israel to exist within secure borders.”

    notice how they didn’t even just say christian zionism, but say “forms” of christian zionism that marginalize them.

  8. I find number 8 and number 9 of the “manifesto” to be particularly troubling. To me at least, it is very disingenuous of these people to say any solution must respect “the equity and *rights*” , of both the Palestinian and Israeli communities.

    The most fundamental human *right* of all is the “right to life”,and the right not to be murdered. Throughout the conference, they have not shown any compassion for Israeli civilians,or to the very real constant threat, and danger Israelis face from terrorism.

    For instance,they constantly criticize the security wall,and yet it is that very security wall,or “apartheid” wall,as Israel’s critics call it, that has all but eliminated suicide terrorism from Israeli society. Before the wall went up, there was a suicide bombing,shooting,or terror attack almost every week, and sometimes every day in Israel.

    Since the wall went up,there has not been a suicide bombing in almost 5 years,so the evidence is the security wall has been very effective in stopping terrorism,even though it unfortunately has caused hardship for the Arabs living next to it,it can always be taken down,but innocent lives destroyed by suicide bombers,can never be replaced.

    I also find it disingenuous of them to state that for the Palestinian Christians the core of the problem is the “occupation”. For one thing,nationality does not determine if a person is a Christian. I highly doubt that George Habash and Nayeft Hawarth,the founders of the PFLP,who claimed to be Christians,but who were unrepentant mass murderers of Jewish women and children, were true believers in Jesus Christ,a Jewish Rabbi,who said “salvation comes from the Jews”.

    I have gone on many messageboards before about the mideast conflict where some so called Palestinian Christians sound as every bit as hateful and cruel towards Israel and the Jewish people as Palestinian Muslims are. When someone spews such vitrolic language shouldn’t we at least question their claim to be Christian?

    Also,when they state “occupation” exactly what “occupation” are they speaking of? The one that began in 1967,when Israel won the six day war, and conquered Judea and Samaria,or the West Bank,as the Arabs call it? If that were the case, why didn’t the Arabs demand a state during the 19 years Jordan was in control of that land?

    Or is it perhaps the reason is because the occupation their really speaking of started in 1948? Sadly,most Palestinians still do not recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish nation, their own polls have confirmed this over the years,there is still not a single map in a Palestinian school, which has Israel on it.

    So if the core of the problem is Israel’s very existence,then the real underlying problem, and reason the conflict does not end, lies with the Palestinian Arabs,not Israel.

    • Dear Rachel,
      never has been a state or people in the whole history with the name palestinians. this nam is \
      created by th romans after destroyng Jeruzalem in rhe year 70.
      Meanwile if you read the books of Mozes you can find ther borders of Israël and that is the land of JHWH, His ceation for His people of Abraham,givenby oath for everlasting time wen Jesua, the son of God ‘ll come!

    • I agree with you Rachel. I just can’t understand how the Palestinians can claim that any of the Jewish land belongs to them. If they take the land away from the Jews, they will have to give an account to Almighty G-d.
      Nina M. Lawrence

  9. This article is an example of the kind of rhetoric that makes constructive dialogue so difficult and so emotionally draining. It makes conversation across theological and political boundaries harder rather than easier and it increases suspicion and ill-will. Blog about others as you would wish to be blogged about.

    Thank you Ronit for pointing us in the direction of a more complete picture.

    • What kind of rhetoric are you speaking of? It’s unfortunate that you feel that stating the truth,increases suspicion and ill-will. Instead of making such generalazations about the posts,can you refute any of the points I, or others made?

    • Your comment is an example of the kind of rhetoric that makes constructive dialogue so difficult, rather than take any of my concerns seriously it is labeled and dismissed as rhetoric. Practice what you preach boxthejack!

      Whatever Ronit has said, and some of it is fair enough, does not detract from the facts that the Manifesto is a one-sided statement that was not seen by Wayne Hilsden nor Richard Harvey before it came out. Ronit let me ask you directly were you involved in the Manifesto?

      • i was definitely not directly involved with the manifesto – i was only a participant at the conference. being a messianic jew that does not have the same theological opinions that the majority there do, i was but an observer a lot of the time, but often found myself surprisingly being able to actively participate and agree.

        you say the the manifesto is one-sided. it’s supposed to be one-sided, reflecting what the organizers found to be the most important themes and conclusions of the conference. the organizers bent over backwards to accommodate their israeli brothers on the other side, giving them a voice in a conference that is often ideologically opposed to their view and in the most loving and respectful way i can imagine. i have never heard of a christian zionist or messianic conference, and there are many each year, that invites a speaker that disagrees with the principles of the theology of the organizers. sometimes they invite an arab speaker, but as far as i know such people are always pro-israel. the point is, they gave us a place in this forum so that there would be a variety of opinions but that is not the core of the conference, so it would of course not be reflected in the manifesto except in the note before the list itself stating the important of the messianic contributions. the core of the conference was giving a voice to palestinian believers whose side of the story and whose theological perspectives are less heard among evangelicals, and to encourage and support those believers – i think this is reflected in the manifesto.

        • Thanks ronit for your answer, I know that the conference Manifesto would be one-sided and reflect the prejudices of the organisers, that is not really my problem with it.

          Firstly, before the conference it was declared loudly that CaTC was not about replacement theology, but the Manifesto clearly promotes that position as did a number of the speakers.

          Secondly, the impression is given by Sizer that local Messianic pastors saw a draft and contributed to its composition, therefore implying their acceptance of said replacement position amongst other problematic clauses. However it is now clear that only one of the CaTC Messianic speakers saw it, offered only grammatical suggestions. A married couple from the same congregation also saw it, hence it is over-playing their hand to suggest, as Sizer has, that local Messianic pastors contributed to the composition. Then the Messianic/pro-Israel group issued a statement that seems to compound the less than truthful representation of what actually happened.

          You are right however that it is rare that any conference, Messianic or not invites ideological opponents to speak at it. However what CaTC organisers have now done with their attendance at CaTC is somewhat undermining the claim that this was an altruistic motive to have Messianic Jewish and pro-Israel Gentile speakers and not as mere fig leaf to cover up a replacement ideology and Western anti-Israeli agenda of some CaTC organisers and speakers who are member of the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign who promote Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions of Israel.

      • “Firstly, before the conference it was declared loudly that CaTC was not about replacement theology, but the Manifesto clearly promotes that position as did a number of the speakers.”

        1. they don’t consider what their theologies to be replacement theology. they don’t believe that believers replaced jewish people and israel, they believe that the church joined on to the true jewish followers and became israel along with them. they believe that god’s promises to israel were always conditional and that faith was required to be in them. they see the disciples and the early jewish followers of yeshua as the tradition receiving the promises because of their faith, and see themselves like ruth joining into israel. see munther isaac’s presentation (it’s on the website) for his explanation. i also hope that they but up gary burge’s position which is similar. the only speaker that i might say believes in some form of replacement theology is manfred khol, who sort of admitted it in his presentation. but that’s his right. i don’t see anything wrong with someone believing in replacement theology as long as it’s not the medieval kind that says that god has rejected the jewish people and therefore they can never believe and are doomed to wander the earth without hope.

        2. even if you want to call any theology that’s not classic christian zionism “replacement theology,” the conference was not all about that. the majority of the meetings were about the palestinian christian community and history, about how we are to live our lives, about how palestinians are to react to the occupation, about radical islam, about women in the palestinian church, about non-violence, about ministry to muslims, etc etc. there was one half day dedicated these theologies and one workshop about it. you can have a conference that’s not “about” something and yet does include the subject.

        “Secondly, the impression is given by Sizer that local Messianic pastors saw a draft and contributed to its composition, therefore implying their acceptance of said replacement position amongst other problematic clauses. However it is now clear that only one of the CaTC Messianic speakers saw it, offered only grammatical suggestions. A married couple from the same congregation also saw it, hence it is over-playing their hand to suggest, as Sizer has, that local Messianic pastors contributed to the composition. Then the Messianic/pro-Israel group issued a statement that seems to compound the less than truthful representation of what actually happened.”

        there was no misunderstanding for anyone at the conference. when the organizers presented it to the audience, they presented it as being something from them, to the participants, summing up the conference. as said in the messianic statement, it was wonderful that the organizers ran it by who was left out of the MJ group at all – they didn’t need to do that. they wanted to makes sure there wasn’t anything overtly offensive or wrong, but the MJ group seemed to not want to get involved because like one of them said “it’s a Palestinian conference”

        “\what CaTC organisers have now done with their attendance at CaTC is somewhat undermining the claim that this was an altruistic motive to have Messianic Jewish and pro-Israel Gentile speakers and not as mere fig leaf to cover up a replacement ideology and Western anti-Israeli agenda of some CaTC organisers and speakers who are member of the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign who promote Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions of Israel.”

        i’m glad they underminded that claim with their attendance…that misconception was so harmful to the conference and now that MJs have gone and given their mainly positive thoughts about it, i hope that people will listen and see that these people truly want to reach out and continue dialogue and not just show the suspicious onlookers that they are tolerant. it might be hard for some people to accept that a person can be for boycotting israel and still be a believer and still want to reconcile with his jewish brothers, but think how hard it is for a palestinian to accept that a person can be a settler and still be a believer and still want to reconcile with his palestinian brothers – including one of the MJ pastors present. i think both the organizers and the MJ attendees are brave people doing what’s right, building relationships and trying to understand each other. i’m not close personal friends with any of these leaders on either side but i know many of them (and work closely with one), and i know that their hearts are all in the right place and see them as role models.

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  11. It certainly is a pleasure to hear from someone who actually knows the the true history of the land and peoples of the middle east. Well stated Rachel, I’m pleased and very impressed by your account of the FACTS. It is very tiring when the history of the Arabs and Jews gets so distorted that the “Palestinians” actuelly begin to believe their own tripe.

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  13. Further to your update, yesterday Dr Stephen Sizer explained to me that the manifesto was shown to three local pastors shortly beforehand. Does this shed any further light on the sequence of events and which Messianic leaders were involved?

    • They were two pastoral elders of the same congregation along with one of their wives, according to confirmation which as been passed to us from a clarifying email sent by Evan Thomas.

      You can see from the list of names from the group statement who the people were, one American MJ, one British MJ three Israeli MJs (from the same congregation) and a Gentile pastor of a largely MJ congregation in Jerusalem.

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