I forgive you for taking my comments out of context.

Peace,
kg

As a leader who lives in the land of Israel and a kehila planter and a firm right-wing Zionist, I would like to say that you are wrong. Most of the messianic leaders that I know here in the land do support Wayne Hilsden’s stance of deciding to be a beacon of light at the CaTC conference. As someone who knows the Awad’s personally, I attest that many of our Bethlehem brother and sisters at BBC are men and women of God worthy of respect. They are misguided in the area of Israel, possibly bitter in this area, but they do fight the good fight of the gospel and evangelism in their area and for that they deserve honor. I pray for them nearly daily. It saddens me that they would invite voices of anti-Israel such as Ben White, Stephen Sizer, others whom I have NO UNDERSTANDING why they are anti-Israel since they don’t live here and weren’t effected by the daily hardships both sides face.

Whatever platform Wayne was given, he should respect that platform and speak truth. Knowing Wayne’s reputation of integrity and his stance on the Jewish people and Israel, I trust Wayne to speak truth. I respect Wayne and so does the body of Messiah here and so do the leaders. If you are in doubt, I would encourage you to go to Wayne’s facebook status where he posted this and see how many of the pro-Israel messianic leadership posted “like” on his facebook status. I can name them off if you don’t have time for the research if you want me to.

CaTC is an unfortunate conference that divides reconciliation efforts between messianics and Palestinians. I hope the organizers will stop these conferences or adopt a more reconcilatory theme that doesn’t compromise on God’s truth about the land of Israel and the Jewish people. While understanding the destructive nature of this conference, we love the people at BBC and our Palestinian brothers and sisters, and I support any leader who stands firmly on the truth about God’s promises to Israel and tries to reach out to Palestinian evangelicals who don’t see this and may even fight against it. Love will win the day in the end and this CaTC nonsense will self-implode by love.

Daniel, what is exactly done away in the Torah? Obviously, sacrifices are not observed now. The Temple is not standing and so are the Kohanim v’ HaLeviim order. Yes, Adon Yeshua said that we have to love the L-rd our G-d with all our heart, mind and soul and to love our neighbors (you, Luke, marko, Dan, Gev, Joseph, Kenneth Griefer, etc) as we love ourselves. I know this constitutes the whole of Torah as Yeshua implied. What is meant by “done away with of the Torah”? Does it mean abandonment?
Torah is a way of life of the Jews, you know. It is deeply ingrained in their culture just as “Amazing Grace” is quintessentially Puritan American English kind of thing. Just as “Star Spangled Banner” is for the USA. Torah is not just a statement of faith, it is a cultural expression. Telling the Jews to abandon the Torah (as it seems obvious to your ideas here) because it is already “done away with” by Adon Yeshua, is like telling them this way: “You are not anymore Jews/Hebrews, you are not anymore special in G-d’s eyes, you are not anymore set-apart from the nations, you are already Gentiles”. You cannot mix honey with molasses and still call it honey. Yes, Adon Yeshua said it is finished. Yes, the spiritual salvation of the Jews do not depend on the “Laws” after then. However, keeping the Torah is not anymore for ones salvation because Adon Yeshua has already made it possible without ones own effort — for the just shall live by faith in Him; yet, keeping the Torah (I mean those “Laws” still possible to be kept) is not anymore for ones salvation but for the purpose of loving G-d and loving ones neighbor. This is faith. This is believing in Adon Yeshua (as He will not Himself do away with the Torah).
Gentiles need not keep the “Laws” a la Jews, only that they have to follow Acts 15 rulings. But if one wants to follow the “Laws”, he does not need to enforce them on his fellow Gentile believers. It should be out of love of the L-rd and remind himself that doing such is not for his salvation, but for his deep love for his loving and gracious G-d.

Interestingly, in Malachi 4:4 (3:22 in Hebrew), the last book in the “OT”, says this: “Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances.”
And in Matthew (5:17-19), the first book in the “NT”, says this: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the LAW, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

The fulfillment of all these laws will come after His second advent… IT IS ADON YESHUA WHO WILL DECIDE ON THESE MATTERS. ANYONE WHO READS HERE (in RPP), DO NOT TELL THE JEWS TO ABANDON THE TORAH FOR IT IS NOT YOU WHO WILL DECIDE AND CHANGE THEIR EXPRESSION OF LOVE FOR THEIR G-D, IT IS THE MESSIAH WHO DEFINES AND PERFECTER OF THESE THINGS. LET US WAIT EAGERLY FOR HIS SECOND COMING.

“Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the earth: say ye to the daughter of Zion: ‘Behold, thy salvation [Yeshua] cometh; behold, His reward is with Him, and His recompense before Him.’” Isaiah 62:11 JPS

SOON!

In this season, with the CATC’s criminal activity – and even Messer’s ridiculousness (to bring it slightly back to topic), it’s obvious that the Body (more or less) is increasingly saturated with ill-informed members, so people, myself included, are maybe a bit more on edge. It’s far from hopeless, but no laughing matter, either. If people can be instructed in love, that’s ideal. If they fail to receive that instruction, it can quickly go south, and appear downright atrocious to the onlooker. It’s a very different issue for me, personally, if people want to hold erroneous ideas privately, but once they espouse them publicly, or start intruding into other communities, just to stir things up, we can’t just look the other way.

In the name of peace, I’m finished commenting on this thread. As is often the case, it appears to have accomplished very little. I’m replying to you, Goyish, because I think you mean well, but I won’t be replying to any others about this. I think it’s time to move on – and we have much more important things to focus on right now. My apologies to everyone here for my part in contributing to the melee. HaShem knows my heart, and we’ll all just have to wait and see, I suppose.