Rabbi YY Jacobson Takes on Christian idea of Ressurection of Messiah

Rabbi Yossi Jacobson

Chabad Online Live report that Rabbi Jacobson discusses whether or not the resurrection of Messiah is a Christian idea. However this may also be a sideways boost to the remaining Meshichistim within Chabad who believe that The Rebbe will be raised from the dead as he is Moshiach! This does seem to be the case considering comments such as this:

“I am a non-Lubavitcher “friend of Chabad” who often visits the site, and, I’ll be honest, I became a little uncomfortable for the last few minutes when he was defending Moshiach’s resurrection from the dead as a Torah idea. OK, yes, there is such a Gemara but for 2000 years it seems klal-Yisroel has not emphasized the idea. And it also seems that pushing the idea of the Lubavitcher Rebbe zy”a being resurrected as Moshiach might alienate Yidden.”

Here is the COLL post:

“World-renowned teacher Rabbi YY Jacobson takes the Christian faith: Is Moshiach being resurrected from the dead a Christian concept?

Welcome to Monday Torah, a weekly class by Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Jacobson, one of the most sought after speakers in the Jewish world today and spiritual leader of Congregation Bais Shmuel in Crown Heights.

This week’s class dissects a fascinating commentary of the Baal Haturim, according to which Moshe addressed Christianity in this week’s parsha, 1300 years before the birth of the Christian religion.

The class addresses some of the most fundamental ideas necessary for an understanding of the foundations of Jewish faith.

The weekly video webcast is aired on TheYeshiva.net and COLlive.com each
Monday evening.”

Click here and sign in to watch the video

see also The Death and Resurrection of the Beloved Son

RCA Bans ‘Messianic Rabbis’

Also a 2009 balst from the past reminds us of the rumbling against the Chabad Meshichistim:

The Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) is banning Chabad rabbis with messianic beliefs from membership in its group.

By COLlive reporter

A rabbinical Modern Orthodox umbrella group in the U.S. is banning Chabad rabbis with messianic beliefs from membership.

The Rabbinical Council of America (RCA), one of the world’s largest organizations of Orthodox rabbis, includes an “affirmation regarding messianic belief” clause to its membership application.

The clause states: “By checking this box and with my signature below, I affirm that the following resolution, adopted at the RCA’s 1996 Annual Convention, reflects my beliefs:

“In light of disturbing developments which have recently arisen in the Jewish community… declares that there is not and never has been a place in Judaism for the belief that Mashiach ben David will begin his Messianic mission only to experience death, burial and resurrection before completing it.”

This is seen as a direct rebuff to a group within the Chabad-Lubavitch movement who believes that the Lubavitcher Rebbecan still be the messiah.

While the Rebbe passed away on the third of Tammuz 5754, the group cites what Rav Nachman says in Gemara Sanhedrin implyingthe Moshiach could also come from the dead.

Read full article here

Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi of Israel in 1996: Schneerson “alive and well”

Yona Metzger

Watch footage from 1996 – 2 years after the death of the Lubavitcher Rebbe – where Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Yona Metzger chants the Yechi and declares Menachem Mendel Schneerson to be alive and well!

The video was produced by Joy Education Media – a meshichist group affiliated with the antinomian Honk4Joy.

Footage of Metzger starts from 0:57:

It is breathtaking how ferociously Messianic Jews are rejected by the ultra-Orthodox establishment, when many of them are themselves meshichists.

They will say Messianic Jews are idol worshippers for our belief in a divine, death-defying Messiah, whilst they consider it okay to have their own one!

Of course, Schneerson and Yeshua are not the same.

I believe Schneerson was not the Messiah of Israel, but Yeshua is the Messiah of Israel. As Yeshua is Mashiach, no-one else can be.

Yet there are many Orthodox rabbis in Israel who don’t believe either Yeshua or Schneerson were the Mashiach.

Why do they tolerate those who believe in Schneerson but shun those who believe in Yeshua? 

What do they have against Messianic Jewish missionaries that they don’t have against Chabad missionaries?

Are the reasons theological, historical, social, political – what exactly?

Betzalel Kupchik Preaches Schneerson Not Chabad

Rabbi Betzalel Kupchik, the Chabad emissary in Pune, India, tells The Yeshiva World (via Chabad.info):

“I am not a shaliach Chabad, which is a movement, but ‘shaliach of the Rebbe Melech HaMoshiach’”.

Similar then to the Christian missionaries who say “I am not a preacher Christianity, which is a religion, but I am a preacher of Jesus Christ”!

Emmanuel Althaus: Schneerson is Moshiach but don’t tell anyone outside Chabad!

Hat-tip to Shirat Devorah for this article by Emmanuel Althaus, which makes the case that: yes, the deceased Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson was the Jewish Messiah, but you shouldn’t tell people outside Lubavitch in case it puts Jews off learning Judaism.

Below I’ve posted the conclusion of the article along with some added words in [square brackets] for clarity of meaning, and emphasised key sentences in blue:

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Emmanuel Althaus

When one honestly analyses, the time line of positive and negative answers it becomes clear that there is no ‘new era’ in the sense that everything that was previously forbidden is now permissible with complete disregard to any negative consequences. If there is the slightest chance that one’s activity might alienate a single Jew from Chabad and learning Chassidus [Hasidic piety] then its clear from the Rebbe’s consistent position that these actions are strictly forbidden.

Those who still insist on going around publicizing that the Rebbe is King Moshiach should consider these points:

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Moshiach is here so no need now for Torah

Meet Sara Kanevsky:

You’d be hard-pressed to find anyone in Crown Heights who could point to a single character flaw that the rebbe possessed—or still possesses, because people like Sara Kanevsky insist that he never died.

Kanevsky’s is a world of constant miracles. Pictures of the rebbe plaster the walls of her third-floor apartment. Every night, she and her friends put on a trance CD of traditional Yiddish hymns set to techno music, and they dance for hours. They take belly-dancing classes that can start at midnight. Her cell-phone ringtone plays the Hebrew messianic slogan Yechi ha Melech, which roughly translates as “Long Live the King Messiah Forever and Ever.” She answers the phone with these same words.

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Now about that grave: Unlike the thousands of other Lubavitchers, Sara Kanevsky has never paid a visit. She doesn’t know who or what is in the grave, but she’s certain it’s not the rebbe. On the anniversary of his death this past July, while more than 50,000 people waited on a four-hour line outside the cemetery, midnight buses rolled in from Canada, and Israelis camped out for the weekend in the Chabad house next-door, Kanevsky went to 770 to celebrate.

Kanevsky does a lot of celebrating when others are mourning. She says that in the time of redemption, all rules are reversed. Two years ago, she walked around eating ice cream in 770 on a fast day, which led to her being kicked out. And on the most recent fast day this summer, she talked with some Chabad members in Florida who were enjoying a spaghetti dinner. Kanevsky has even written a book in four languages on the new rules.

Advertising Kanevsky’s website has also become part of the battle between meshichists and non-meshichists in Crown Heights:

Since the Rebbe’s passing the shul has been in the domain of the Meshichists, the group of Lubavitchers who believe that even though we cannot see the Rebbe anymore, he is the Messiah. There was some sort of court case, in which the official organization of Chabad, AgudasChassidey Chabad had sued their tenants, the Mishichist congregation for eviction. They didn’t want the flagship synagogue of the movement controlled by quacks who still believe the Rebbe is alive (but we can’t see him because he moved to a different spiritual plane). As far as I am aware, Agudas Chabad lost the case; but in any event, the Mishichistsare definitely a presence. At one point (considerably past candle lighting time when it is halachicallly forbidden to affix posters to a wall), a well dressed woman entered our section and posted up a large poster with the Rebbe and Rebbetzin’s photos, advertising a website calledgeulanovelties.com. She was yelled at by a few grandmother types, but she insisted that she couldn’t remove the poster as she would be breaking shabbos, which would be, in fact, true). It was a blatant act and I was secretly cheering her on because it was so highly entertaining.

Here is her website, GeulaNovelties, where we learn that the Moshiach is God, and now that he is here every Jew is a rabbi and we have a new Torah and a new theology – one where Jews can mix milk and meat eat pork, eat on Yom Kippur, and wear mixed fabrics. Good news for women too – they can grow their hair long as a woman’s hair is a source of energy, mix with men, and their menstruation cycles are no longer impure. In fact, now there’s no such thing as impurity – to the extent Jews don’t have to bother with prayers of repentance anymore!

Leaving aside for now the issue of repentance, what’s interesting here is how Schneersonite meshichists, like the early Jewish believers in Yeshua, are re-evaluating Torah practice in the light of moshiach. GeulaNovelties is warmly endorsed by Honk4Joy – a universalist Australian Lubavitcher meshichist group who recently caused controversy for celebrating on 10 Tevet – traditionally a day of fasting and mourning in Judaism.

Kanevsky posted a video last week to justify celebrations of 10 Tevet by claiming that Schneerson himself endorsed eating on this date:

Honk4Joy have also posted this video of Schneerson saying that the world entered the messianic age “long ago”:

What’s fascinating is that meshichists are increasingly branching out and viewing the messiahship of Schneerson as a global, universal phenomena – one relevant for the whole world and not just for Jews. In doing so, they are re-evaluating Torah practise, using Schneerson’s own words to justify and underpin their radical new theology.

I can’t help but wonder what more developments we’ll see in the meshichist movement within Lubavitch.

However, there’s something else I think is worth a mention – whilst I have no time for a belief in a Messiah born outside of Bethlehem, you have to kinda admire the fact that these Lubavitcher meshichists don’t care what other people think about their beliefs, or how the Jewish establishment reacts to them. (Compare their approach with that of Rabbi Zvi Telsner).

Whilst there are Messianic Jews bending over backwards to suck up to the religious establishment of Judaism, Kanevsky and Honk4Joy are interested only in being consistent with their beliefs, and seem to be getting a lot of joy out of it.

Where’s our joy in Yeshua, no matter what people think of us?

We’re Jews who’ve found our Messiah, and we take the lead, not follow the pack.

If others don’t like it – too bad.

EXCLUSIVE: Yad L’Achim website registered to Lubavitcher meshichist “bitkin770″

Abraham Bilkin is Yad L’Achim’s regional co-ordinator in Netanya:

The operatives immediately phoned Rabbi Avraham Bitkin, Yad L’achim’s regional coordinator in the area, who was on his way to a “chalakah,” a ceremony in which three-year-old boys get their first hair cut (known as an upsherin in Ashkenazic circles). The ceremony had extra special meaning because the parents had been brought closer to Judaism by Yad L’Achim’s extensive outreach network.

Understanding that there was no time to waste – what with a baptism scheduled for the next morning – Rabbi Bitkin made a u-turn and headed for the woman’s home. He convinced her to join him at the chalakah, in Yad L’achim’s Netanya branch, and when she arrived she was engulfed in the feeling of a true Jewish simcha.

We learn from Yad L’Achim’s website that Bitkin works for Yad L’Achim warning of the danger of missionaries:

Yad L’Achim’s team, headed by Rabbi Avraham Bitkin, worked around the clock for three days to alert Jews in the area as to the real intentions of the friendly, clean-cut strangers who just wanted “a minute of your time.” They kept close tabs on the missionaries and tracked down all of the impressionable young Jews who came into contact with them.

“In every instance in which a missionary succeeded in engaging a Jew, we made sure to reach the youngster give him the whole picture,” said Rabbi Bitkin. “We were engaged in a defensive PR campaign that succeeded beyond all expectations.”

And who runs Yad L’Achim’s website?

This information is from Domain Tools:

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bitkin770@hotmail.com is a reference to both Avraham Bitkin and 770: a number very precious to Lubavitchers as it corresponds to Menachem Mendel Schneerson’s former address: 770 Eastern Parkway in Crown Heights, New York.

In fact, the number 770 is so precious to Lubavitchers that many are convinced that Schneerson will reveal himself soon as this year is 5770. There is even a website with live feed from 770.

Alexander Bitkin’s name and email address appear on the Lubavitcher meshichist website ksol.org, where you can hear Lubavitcher melodies. The most prominent melody on the site is Eleazar Peretz’ new adaptation of the Yechi, to which you can listen here.

If you listen carefully, you’ll notice that Peretz does not sing the traditional “Yechi Adoneinu Moreinu Verabeinu Melech Hamoshiach Leolam Voed“, but instead sings “Yechi Adoneinu Boreinu Verabeinu Melech Hamoshiach Leolam Voed“. In this case, changing the mem to a bet means the word changes from ‘our teacher’ to ‘our creator’ – the Yechi statement now reading “Long live Our Lord, Our Creator and Our Rabbi, King Messiah Forever and Ever“.

Ironically then, the Yad L’Achim website is registered to a man who believes that a Jewish rabbi was actually the Lord and Creator of the universe.

Given Chabad’s heavy influence on Yad L’Achim – including the prominent role of Alex Artovsky (himself an inspiration to meshichist missionaries) – it seems rather ironic that Yad L’Achim spend all their time kvetching about one group of proselytising Jews who believe in divine, death-defying Messiah whilst they take orders from another group of proselytising Jews who believe in a divine, death-defying Messiah.

So are Yad L’Achim really trying to eliminate idolatry from the land of Israel, or just trying to eliminate the competition?

What makes their messiah real, and not just a wannabe?